Master the Upper Rooms

Divine Timing: When God Gives Two People the Same Name

• Kerie Logan • Season 1 • Episode 55

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Two spiritual guides discover they were divinely inspired with the same name—"Empowered Within"—decades apart, launching a profound exploration of intuitive guidance and human consciousness.

Kerie Logan welcomes Jennifer, a 25-year veteran of holistic practices ranging from rehabilitative Pilates to Reiki healing and intuitive mediumship. Their conversation quickly reveals the synchronistic nature of their work, as both received the name "Empowered Within" through divine guidance for their respective platforms.

Jennifer shares her evolution from receiving subtle intuitive hits as a young empath to fully embracing her spiritual gifts. "People didn't necessarily listen to me, but I had a lot to say," she reflects on her childhood. Now, she helps others transform by lighting up what already exists within them rather than attempting to give power externally.

The dialogue delves into practical aspects of intuition—recognizing signs, discerning which messages carry weight, and understanding that spiritual guidance becomes accessible when we elevate ourselves above negative emotional states. Jennifer explains how current astrological conditions (between retrogrades and eclipses) create a crucial journaling time rather than a period for answers.

Their most powerful insights emerge when discussing boundaries and authenticity. Jennifer's declaration that "just because you're a spiritual person and just because you want to ride a unicorn doesn't mean that you're not going to kick some serious butt along the way when lines are crossed" serves as a reminder that spirituality doesn't require doormat behavior.

Both women share personal stories of following intuitive guidance through health crises, toxic relationships, and career decisions, demonstrating how inner wisdom becomes a practical tool for navigating life's challenges. Their experiences highlight that intuitive abilities strengthen like muscles through consistent practice and trust.

Ready to develop your own intuitive gifts? Join these spiritual guides in discovering how to recognize divine guidance, protect your energy, and find the empowerment that already exists within you.

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Speaker 1:

Hello everyone, this is your host, Keri Logan at Master of the Upper Rooms, and I am so excited, so excited to be talking with Jennifer today. And why I'm excited to talk to her is her podcast is the name of one of my websites, empowered Within. And what I want to share really quickly before I bring her in is you know, I always talk about human consciousness and if I was stuck in 3D human consciousness, I'd be mad at her, I'd be jealous and envious and I'd be like you stole my name. But I'm not. I am so grateful and so joyful and ecstatic to talk to her today because she's doing wonderful things for humanity and this world. And what was so cool, when we were talking before I hit record, god gave her that name and God gave me that name for my website over 20 years ago. So we're going to dive in and learn all about Jennifer today. And I'm just over the moon. You can see I'm just like about to jump out of my seat and go yay, yay, yay. So, jennifer, welcome to Master the Upper Rooms.

Speaker 2:

Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited. Finally, after all these years, we've our paths have crossed and we're here together.

Speaker 1:

Yes, it's so cool, so tell me about yourself.

Speaker 2:

So, oh my gosh, like that's such a loaded question.

Speaker 1:

I know Loaded question.

Speaker 2:

Well, like you, I have been doing my practice for gosh. It's 25 plus years now. Someone said that's two decades. I'm like, oh my goodness.

Speaker 2:

So for two decades I've been in the holistic practice industry, from rehabilitative Pilates to Reiki, healing, to being an intuitive medium all of the things.

Speaker 2:

And one thing has, you know, come into another and into another, and the beauty of it all is truly being able to help people transform from within and to find their empowerment within.

Speaker 2:

I'm not here to give it to you.

Speaker 2:

I'm here to light you up, so that you can feel what's within you, and to me, that is one of the best gifts of all. And so, whether that comes through Pilates training, whether that comes through spiritual coaching, whether that's mindset, whether that's Reiki, whether that's a reading, it's just that it comes through and that is so important to be of service and to be able to help so many people and to have been given the gifts and the ability to help on so many different levels which have come over the 25 years. It all started with my Pilates practice many, many moons ago, and everything has just expanded since then so I'm very blessed and then expanded into the podcast which we were just talking about I was going to be four years old I can't even believe it in May, which is so amazing, I know, so amazing. So I feel so grateful every day and so blessed to be able to show up and help people through various platforms like yourself, whether that's podcasting or YouTube or all this stuff. It's just that's what I live for.

Speaker 1:

Yes, and I think it's really interesting how getting those intuitive hits because hits? Because it never came to my awareness to do a podcast for Empowered Within. It never did. I created a YouTube channel, you know, for how you're being called to be of service and a lot of people can be kind of confused like, well, I don't know about this, I don't know about that, but when you get that intuitive hit, it's to me, it's like the cherry on top to me. It's like the cherry on top. It really is, and you're being called by something higher than you. You're not questioning it, you're not doubting it, you're not dismissing it. So maybe to help some people understand, when you started getting intuitive hits, how was that for you? Was it weird?

Speaker 2:

Tell me your journey on that well, it started very young for me. So, being an empath and having kind of grown up in sort of a tumultuous situation, I always just sort of knew things. People didn't necessarily listen to me, but I had a lot to say and I can remember. You can go back to like being a little kid with my report cards and what was that was always said about me she talks too much, she talks too much. And I always say, well, if people would have listened, probably a lot of lives would be different these days. Yeah, so, um, subtle things. Right, like I just didn't.

Speaker 2:

There's a beauty in being naive before you understand your spiritual journey. Yes, so I would say at some point, I just, I, I really just, oh, like, take a right turn. Okay, take a right turn. Oh, look what I found down this road. Or it was just very easy, and I would say there are times before I knew, or before I was, who I am today, that I was probably even way more spiritual or way more open than I am today, in different ways and in different facets, and that's what I find, when I look back over the journey, to be so incredible. Now it is like I just signs are everywhere and now it's about discerning well, what sign has weight, yes, and what is just sort of something that's coming by, especially right now. Two retrogrades, you know, in between two eclipses, like this is not a time for answers, you know. So it's this. Would you know? This is a huge journaling time write down all the signs and then in another two, three weeks, what still has weight, what is still there. And so there's that learning curve over the years. I love it, though you know it starts out with little things and little things become big hits.

Speaker 2:

And you know, like, getting back to the podcast, I happen to be working with Tony Robbins at the time. We were doing intense three days work, four days work, I forget it was very intense and it literally broke me down. But it broke me down to the place to find my empowered self within, and that's literally how the pod you know to give like. That was huge. I didn't even know what a podcast was, by the way, I had never even listened to a podcast. I was told I was going to do a podcast. I was told the name, I was able to buy a microphone and then I was said, I was told, let it sit, it's not the time yet and I was caretaking for family and it it's all sat there for like six months, wow. So it's just beautiful when you can lean in or be aware.

Speaker 2:

Or like last winter I was in South Carolina and I'd met these lovely neighbors and they knew that I taught Pilates and that I really wasn't doing it. I was just doing my virtual training with clients. And then one day the woman came over and said can we have a cup of tea? Okay, that's odd, I never have someone like in my home. But okay, and she looked at me and she goes so when are you going to start working at the YMCA here? And I was like I mean, you couldn't hit me over the head harder if you wanted. I couldn't hit me over the head harder if you wanted. I heard the message and I was like, well, I guess I'll walk over tomorrow and kind of check it out. And lo and behold, that's where I was needed. I was needed to help them change their program.

Speaker 2:

I was there for a period of time and then I exited. Yeah, you know, and I think that when we're able to understand who we are meaning who are you, why are you here, what is your numerology, what is your human design, what is your mission, when you know that, then you can really embrace it and you can be more in the flow than getting caught up and tripped up in the 3D world, so to speak.

Speaker 1:

Yes, yeah, because my kiddo, who's 17 17, he always talks about signs and he'll see like numbers three, three, three or 12, 12 or 11, 11, and he'll look it up and it's so. I find it so cool and he's learning how to listen to his intuitive hits. And I got to say this. I mean, I wish my mom was that way and my mom did have a spiritual background. But where we're at now in our world, really listening to those intuitive hits are amazing. Because the same for me. One day I was told, you know, by up above that you're going to start a podcast and you're going to teach master the upper rooms and you're going to teach human consciousness and, like they said to me, we want you to create these images, literally make a whole. You know three different pages of. This is 3D, human consciousness. This is 4D, this is 5D and we want you to do this. And it's really cool when you get that calling and at times, some people, we can fight it, and other times we have to learn to honor it and respect it. Because for me and I made a YouTube video about how I became a hypnotherapist and when I was about to become homeless with my daughter that was in kindergarten. At the time, I was told that, no, you're going to move back to California. The perfect job is waiting there for you. It's what you were meant to do. You know born to do. It's waiting there and, like a lot of people, I didn't want to listen. I was stuck in fear. But I had to get over it and I did, and here I am today. If I did not make that choice and listen to that guidance, my life would be completely different, completely different. And so it's really learning how to trust and surrender to what you're, you're hearing and sometimes, like, even if you're in a really bad, toxic relationship and you calm down and you're talking to God, you will be guided out of that situation. You know, and maybe what you need to, you know, I was in a situation, I remember, with my daughter and her father, with all the legal stuff, and I was about to, you know, I could lose custody of her and I was fighting, fighting, fighting.

Speaker 1:

And that night, as I was praying, I completely surrendered everything and saw myself jump into the void and I was just like, just take me, you know the highest, into the void. And I was just like, just take me, you know the highest and the best. And the very next day he called me up and said I've been trying for weeks to talk to you about this. I don't want to fight anymore and I am willing to stop hurting you and her If you give up the child support. That's all he wanted. I will waive all my parental rights and do this.

Speaker 1:

And I thought to myself there is no price tag on my daughter none. And I willingly did it. I said yes, and that was the answer I needed, and I had to let go my control and anger and, wanting to prove him wrong and wanting to fight, I had to completely surrender and rise all the way up to neutrality, to where I could just be content and satisfied. And in that space the answer came up and it was. You know, it can be fast. As you know we can get like hits, like that.

Speaker 2:

Oh, I love the ones. I love that you just said this. So earlier today, before the podcast, I was upstairs and I was looking for a top and I was in my closet. I'm like God, I'm like, is it packed, is it not? And I heard, like it's not there, it's in the dresser. And I'm like, are you sure? Like, like who am I to judge? You know? Like, like I'm questioning spirit. Yeah, so then I go over and I go, oh, look, you're, you're right, it was here. And I go, how come, spirit, you can give me this tank top like this? But the other questions I'm asking for right now, oh, no, no, no, that nope, nope, that could be, that could be another 12 months, jennifer, we don't know. That could be another month or two, that. So, like I had to have a joke and go how funny that. Like I asked for that and you gave me that.

Speaker 2:

But if it's something that's bigger, and I think that goes back to divine timing and it goes back to not rushing your timing of life.

Speaker 2:

So you have a timing of life and then there's divine timing and you find out and you learn more about your lifetime, your timing of life when you understand, going back to who are you again and why are you here and what is your mission?

Speaker 2:

You know, on this school earth, here, that we're learning, because you know, again, this is one of the planets that, like you're a badass, especially if you're here right now, in this time, like you didn't get here by accident, you chose to be here, oh yeah, now you have to understand like, well, why are you here, and really level up for that, and I think that that's one thing that you know we all can go back and forth with and have moments, because I think sometimes people think like, oh, you know, I was teased, like, like I have a big, life-size unicorn and I'm like, yes, like I need that.

Speaker 2:

But let me tell you, I know my dark equally as I know my light, and that's what's most important. Like I have been through so much darkness to be able to, yes, embrace my unicorn, but I dare you to cross my path at the same time, because just because you're a spiritual person and just because you want to ride a unicorn doesn't mean that you're not going to kick some serious butt along the way when lines are crossed, and I think that that's something that needs to be spoken about, that needs to be educated, especially with empaths and highly sensitive people who are people pleasers, who don't understand healthy boundaries, who need to learn healthy boundaries and that that's okay and that if someone crosses that healthy boundary, it's okay to say no, that's not okay.

Speaker 1:

And that again goes back to wanting watching something. And he was talking about what was going on in the world and he was just like scared. And I said to him just like what you did? You chose to come in at this time and you knew there would be great chaos. But great chaos can create great change, because there are structures that will collapse, so new ones, better ones, can be rebuilt or you reorganize the structure. But you're here for a purpose and a reason, you know. And it's like you got to get out of that victim mindset of you know. The world is just horrible. And I said change your focus on. Something good is going to come out of this. I don't know what it is, but something good is going to be born and created out of this. And I and I and I loved it too how you were talking about the intuitive hits Cause.

Speaker 1:

My daughter would tease me up and down I think she's like 27 right now and when she would miss some, an item, she'd be like mom, where is it? And I would listen and like and they would show me sometimes in my mind's eye oh, it's upstairs in this drawer and dah, dah, dah, dah. And she'd go up. She's like how do you know that? How? And I'm just like, cause they just told me and they just showed me where it is, and it's um, it's hard. So when someone knows you can do that, they, they'll constantly be like, okay, where's my keys? You know where did I put this? And it's just it's. I think sometimes it's hilarious.

Speaker 2:

It is hilarious, you know, and that's the thing. Like we need to have more hilariousness in our every day. You know, one of the things I do every day is, I'm like, in the mornings, you know, I go through my meditative practice and I really, you know, set myself up before I even interact with any human beings, and one of the things I always say in the morning and at night, you know, in the morning I'm like, I'm so excited for all the amazing things that are going to happen today.

Speaker 2:

And then at night I say I'm you know, grateful for all of X, y and Z that happened. And then, I repeat, I'm so excited for the amazing things that are going to happen tomorrow. And let me tell you, when you do that and you get into a practice, you're beginning to work with your subconscious mind and you bring good things in. Like last night I sat down and I went wow, I'm like there actually were a couple of good, cool, amazing things that happened. I'm not saying a million dollars is dropping out of the sky, because it's not going to happen. If you're not vibrating at that level, if you're not magnetized at that same place, it's not going to be there.

Speaker 2:

But it doesn't mean that you can't win $100 off a lottery ticket and if that's what you win, then I want you to like dance up and down and be super excited because you have probably a higher vibration than you even thought and considering the people or places and things around you, you know it's a struggle some days to keep your vibration up. You know I don't know about you but me, like I, I'm a pretty introverted person. People think I'm extroverted and it may seem that way, but I'm a homebody. I love to be at home, I love to be on the beach walking Like I just like to. I don't want to say be by myself, because I'm never by myself, because even when I'm walking, you know, spirit is with me and all my guides and angels are there and we're having our meeting and et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 2:

So I'm never alone. But to the outside world it probably appears that way. Like I remember a friend once said to me and she was miserable in her marriage and just unhappy. Things were just. It was just not good. And she had a lash out moment and she was like, wow, what do you want me to be Alone, like you? And I'm thinking you know what it probably would do you some good. Now, being the good friend that I was in that moment in time and reading the room, I said nothing, but you know what else? I also never spoke to that friend again because I realized at that moment in time there was so much envy and jealous there was nothing I could do right.

Speaker 2:

This had been going on for years. She needed to walk that muck and maybe she'll walk out of it and walk back into my life. But for now I did all I could do in that part and I think that that's something too, when you're on your spiritual path, to understand it's okay to let people go and it's okay to let new people in and it's okay to walk away, and that that is a is a challenge, especially if, again, if you're an empath or a highly sensitive person who again? You're a people pleaser, you're, you know, you're wanting to see the best, you've got those rose-colored glasses on and you need to have discernment and need to understand that. Oh okay, yeah, hmm, this isn't feeling so great anymore. It's not feeling in alignment. Then it's probably not in alignment. And if it's not in alignment, who's shifting and does it matter? You just need to shift where you're being called to shift.

Speaker 1:

Yes, matter. You just need to shift where you're being called to shift. Yes, and it's also learning to honor and stand up for yourself. Because being alone is not a negative thing. It it can be a completely beautiful thing. I mean, I you're going to laugh at this, but there was many periods of my life when I was single. I would not date for like two years or something and people thought I was nuts. And I had one friend when I was a single mom that she had men coming in revolving door, revolving door and her daughter. One time we were having dinner. She said I know when a man's going to leave my mommy and I said when, when do you know? And she said when he says he's going to get a job.

Speaker 2:

Because he never comes back. Wow, oh my gosh, that's a powerful statement.

Speaker 1:

It is because she had men revolving in and out and in and out. And I told her, I said what example are you setting for your daughter? And I remember one time my little girl said to me mommy, I want a daddy, I want a daddy. You know, go out and get me a daddy. And I told her I said well, sweetie, I could go out right now and get you a daddy, no problem at all. But he not, might not be nice to me and he might not be kind to you, and we'd be miserable instead of happy right now. Would you rather I take my time and find the right daddy for you? Wouldn't that, you know, the right daddy for us? Wouldn't that be better? And she thought about it and she said yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. So then a month later she comes up to me and she says mommy, I'm tired of waiting for a daddy. Can you go get me a baby brother or sister?

Speaker 2:

Oh, that's hysterical.

Speaker 1:

It was hysterical and I want to share this other one when you were talking about, you know, the woman's perspective of you know, oh, I'll be alone, like you, which in her mind, was a negative. I remember one time being at the gym and my son was probably maybe five years old at the time and I was a single mom, and this man came up to me and you know, said, your son is so cute and everything. He is just like you know, does your husband come work out with you? And I said, no, I'm a single mom.

Speaker 1:

And he immediately his face dropped and he said, oh, I'm sorry for you. And I looked at him and I said, actually you shouldn't be sorry at all, cause I am so joyful and so happy and free, because he was not a nice person and so I would rather be single and joyful than be with someone that you know ended up not being, you know, nice to me and my kiddo in the end. And the guy immediately just like, was like shut up and walked away. Because that's like you know, if you're going to throw this at me, I'm going to throw some truth back at you. My situation isn't as doom or gloom as you perceive it to be.

Speaker 2:

And that goes back to you. Know your path, your mission, your journey, that's yours, yes, and not everyone. If anyone is going to understand it and or agree with it, because it wasn't given to them and that even goes back to you. Know, if you are looking for a job, a baby daddy, maybe a baby mommy, you know, whatever it is, a house, whatever, keep it close to your heart, because not everyone is your cheerleader and I have learned that over the years, accidentally and purposefully, and it truly is. You know, get married behind closed doors, be happy behind closed, you complete everything you want to do and then, when you're ready, then you let people know or then you invite them out. When you're good, when you have a solid foundation, when you again feel empowered within, then you will allow people in because, and especially now you know again, not everyone is your cheerleader, not even, unfortunately, not your family, not your friends, not your coworkers, not even not even your spouse, cause I'll I'll share a story about that.

Speaker 1:

There was a woman I was working with that had a high executive job. I was working with that had a high executive job at a major hospital and she would drink two bottles of wine a night and she wanted to stop. And in her process of that, I told her I want you to keep it a secret. I don't know why I was guided to tell her that, but I want you to keep this a secret because there might be a day that's going to happen and it's kind of like I was picking up on it of you've got to own it, you've got to own this new change and you got to set boundaries around it and own it. So what happened? She stopped drinking and it was, I think, about a month and a half after that period. Her husband came up to her and said hey, I noticed you're not drinking anymore. Did you join AA? You know what'd you do? And she said I did hypnotherapy. And he started laughing in her face laughing, laughing. You're stupid. Oh my God, I can't believe you wasted your money on that. How much did that cost you? This is such a joke. She started bawling and crying and he was laughing even more and she told me.

Speaker 1:

I thought of that warning you gave me and I walked out of that room and, trust me, carrie, I wanted to drink so bad, but I wasn't going to do it because then he would win and try to destroy me. And I remembered what you said I need to stay empowered within, I need to believe in myself, and and so, yes, you are exactly right, even people that you think would support you Sometimes they don't you to be really mindful who you share stuff with. That's why, like I've interviewed many people that have said oh, I just came out of the spiritual closet. I had this intuitive gift for so many years and I couldn't tell my family about this or some of my friends about this, you know, and I and I said, but that's the beautiful thing is, you're out.

Speaker 2:

Right, right and and there's still so many people you know that aren't, and you know, use your spiritual gifts. However. You are divinely guided. You don't need to have a flashing sign on a corner and be a psychic. Yes, you can work in a grocery store as a cashier and you can smile at people, and your healing energy is healing every person that comes through your line.

Speaker 1:

Yes, and I would say, be, you know, sometimes a little cautious about that flashing light on the corner, cause there was when I was living in a certain you know town here in Oregon. There was a person that put a sign up that said she was a psychic therapist, and so I wanted to welcome her to the community and I came in and she was a charlatan, complete charlatan, and I and I ended up talking to some other friends that were legit, had a spiritual center, and they told me oh man, that woman, she, she knows how to influence people. She got like $3,000 from this one woman saying she was cursed. I can break the curse and and it was just, it was crazy. And that's where and I even do have some recordings about psychic hotlines, cause I had one lady literally spend a thousand dollars a month talking to a psychic person. I was like she is not your friend, you're paying her. If it was a friend she wouldn't take your money, right, right, yeah.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I mean you. You do. You have to. Certainly I am incredibly careful as to what energy and who I let into my inner circle, whether that's even an acupuncturist, a chiropractor, a massage therapist very, very careful because their energy, you know those are very sensual practices and people don't look at it that way, but their energy then mixes with your energy and when you walk out of that room you've got to discern and clear and do all that stuff. So I'm very, very careful about you know the who, the where, the what, and you know. I think what's great about this year in particular is that anything that is inauthentic in our worlds people, places and things or things is being exposed.

Speaker 1:

Oh yes.

Speaker 2:

So, whether you know the narcissist, forget about it. This is the year, so anybody that's been looking for you know validation, or you finally want to see karma? Pop your popcorn and sit back. It's coming, Don't you worry about that. And on all fronts personally, professionally, globally all of that is happening and it is really happening in the spiritual world. And this, oh my God, carrie, I have to tell you I love, I have to tell you I love.

Speaker 2:

So there's this one you're going to love, this spiritual person who definitely in the past, she has appeared to be all that and a bag of chips and probably some popcorn too, and I was. It was a wonderful experience. Got to meet this person and I thought, huh, I didn't quite feel what I thought I was going to feel Like I was like waiting for the energy right, like I was like, oh, this is there's going to be like a big gem of a nugget coming from this person. To me Not so much. She got some nuggets for me, though, and I thought this was fascinating. And then, as time went on, it started to unfold and I thought something, a plus B is not equaling C here, yeah.

Speaker 2:

And then, all of a sudden, as we get closer to the sheer and the energies, this person starts spouting off about how this is the year. If you haven't learned from me, if you haven't practiced from me, you're not a real spiritual person like blah, blah, blah. All the truth is going to come out this year the, you know, the, the I don't want to say the real ones, but those of the true, of the higher vibration is going to come out versus those that you know. Maybe you're not, but the way that she was leading it, I literally sat there, was cracking up and I'm like she literally doesn't even understand that she's actually warning people about herself in her messaging and I was like blown away by it.

Speaker 2:

So I love this year being the year numerology number nine. Again, why I say it's so important to know everything you know, know yourself, your numerology, your human design, all the jazz, your birth chart. You don't have to understand it, but allow someone to help you understand whom you are and embrace it. This is the number nine year for the world's holy sweet jesus. So can imagine if, if you personally happen to be in the number nine year I'm a number nine.

Speaker 1:

You have a number nine year, this year. Well, no, I'm a number nine. My name is. Numerology is a number nine, yeah oh, wow, oh wow.

Speaker 2:

So even that I mean. Yeah, there's so much change and disruption and, you know, getting through the storm to find the rainbow, looking for the lesson and the blessing in every moment. Right now, head is on a, you know, on a spiral, looking around. If you choose, or you can sort of just sit back, I would say and, like, watch the tornado from a distance, yes, like watch everything flying and go. Okay, like we talked pre-recording, you know.

Speaker 2:

I would say, like, do you have skin in the game? Because if you don't move along, that's not where your energy is being being called to. You may see something because you need to be aware of it in that moment and you may not know why. File it away. It'll come back, you'll understand it at some point in time, but keep moving. And this is the year. I mean, I love the energies of this year. I now that I think about like everything it makes sense, like where I'm at in life and how things are transforming for me, business-wise and personal wise, and I'm not even in a number nine year. I remember my last number nine year, just for me personally. Holy, sweet Jesus. Like that was during the pandemic, that everything that could happen in a number nine year. Darn well happened and some wow all of it. Yeah, it was a great time well and it's interesting.

Speaker 1:

You know we were talking about intuitive hits and then you brought up the subject narcissism. I've shared this. I've just started coming out of the closet, sharing this. I'm angela Meyer. I wrote the book the Undetected Narcissist.

Speaker 1:

I did the podcast the Undetected Narcissist for three years and I was guided by spirit to write that book because there's a painting that I hope I say her name right, akina, the one that painted Jesus. So, and God did because I was ready to quit my business. I was really after the whole narcissist experience. I was ready to quit my business, this experience. I was ready to quit my business and God brought me a Catholic nun that had PTSD and during that time I had PTSD and she's the one that convinced me not to give up my work. I mean cause she literally was like no, god talks to you. And so she showed me that painting by that artist and that one of Jesus didn't speak to me. The one that spoke to me was the one called the light and I would look at that. I bought the painting and I would look at it every day, every day, every day, and I started to see a face appear in the painting and it started to talk to me and I told sister Miriam about it and she's like oh my God, that's a sign from God. I have to see this painting. I have to come over and see it. And so she came over and she couldn't see the face. And I then said no, this is how, let me point it out to you. And I said this is the eyes, that's the nose, the mouth. She popped off my bed and said oh my God, that's Archangel Gabriel. The mouth she popped off my bed and said oh my God, that's Archangel Gabriel. And I said to her how do you know? And she said God just told me. And I was like you're correct, that's him. And it was really just fascinating because I was even one night lying in bed about to do this huge presentation, my first public speaking about narcissism, about how to communicate with typical people, and my presentation was going to be an hour long and 48 hours before that I got a notice that it was only going to be a half an hour and I was lying in bed going, god, how am I going to do this, how am I going to do this? And God said you can do it in eight minutes, like that. And I was like, how Are you serious? And it's like yes, and I started downloading all this information, all this information. You're going to draw this, You're going to talk about this. When I got the big poster boards and I showed people this is what I was guided to talk about, everyone was like, oh my God, that is incredible.

Speaker 1:

And I remember lying in bed one night hearing that do you know you, humans create narcissistic people. And I was like what? What? No, no, no, no, no. And it was like no, look it up. And when I did the research, it was a hundred percent correct. And when I talked to a psychiatrist about it, he I asked him that question do we create them? He was like bingo, how did you know? And I wasn't going to tell him. Oh, that was an intuitive hit from up above. But that's where I was. I was guided to write that book and do the podcast, coming from a place of love, wisdom, compassion and forgiveness, because if we don't like those people, we need to stop creating them. We do.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, that's fascinating. That's really fascinating that you went through all of that.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and what was so bizarre and I did a podcast about this when I was literally there doing my speaking engagement, a man walked in that looked just like my son's father, exactly like him the same built, hair color, facial hair, all of that. And I was like so scared, like, oh my God, how did he find me? And it was so cool because the woman that he came in with walked up to my table and I said what's that guy's name? And and she told me and I was like, but what was so cool is I stood my ground and when I was driving home, god said to me you passed the test, you can now be out in public and talk and you don't have to be afraid any more.

Speaker 2:

Right, that's such a beautiful blessing.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and a lot of people would be afraid, like one woman said to me, because when I told her she was in the booth next to me, I'm like, oh my god, I think that's my ex. She's like go run in the bathroom, go hide. And I was like, no, I'm gonna stand my ground, I'm gonna sit here. You know, I'm being called to be here. This, this is what I'm going to do. But yeah, I and that took courage, that was stepping out of 3D human consciousness and into 4D and like, no, I have something to say and what I'm doing is good for the world. It's not bad. I'm not bashing him or hating him. I'm helping people understand him and maybe if he ever reads the book, he might understand himself.

Speaker 2:

Mm-hmm Right, absolutely, that's so powerful. Yes.

Speaker 1:

So, jennifer, I'm really curious about your intuitive coaching, because to me that's the funnest thing to do. Tell me how that all works for you. Like your approach, like how does that, how does that all work?

Speaker 2:

so for me it actually came through pilates, was born through my pilates, but pilates session ultimately turned into an intuitive reading, which turned into intuitive coaching. So that's how it was born and the name has changed over the years, whether it was mindset coaching or empowerment coaching or based on what I was guided in that moment and who was supposed to be drawn to it, or who I was supposed to be drawing to it, because not everybody likes the word spiritual life coach or whatever it may be.

Speaker 2:

And so, for me, generally, the people that I am attracting are empaths and highly sensitive people who have been through narcissistic abuse, toxic relationships, toxic families, have finally gotten to that stage where they want to find that empowerment within them. They want to understand their gifts, they want to understand why they're here, they want to understand their mission, and so that's really where I help and hold someone's hand and guide them to whom they are and help them with the right tools so that they understand why they're here, what is their mission, help them with the right tools so that they understand why they're here, what is their mission. How can we lean more into life and lean out of the chaos? Learning to heal from the PTSD, the CPTSD?

Speaker 2:

as well you know all of that. So it varies based on the person, of course, but at the core of it we start with who are you? And it's interesting because it's just like if someone were to come to me for my Pilates practice, like you could come in and you could say, oh, my right hip hurts, and I'd be like, great, you know, can you walk across the room and come back for a minute? Great. And then suddenly I'm going to start with, like, your arm, and you're going to be like, but I'm here for my hip, and I'm like, yeah, I know, but your hip has taken everything out of alignment. And so I'm going to start at, you know, one core area which is going to help bring everything back into alignment, and that's my approach with the coaching.

Speaker 2:

So I always know why someone's coming, why they've been attracted to me, and sometimes they don't know, but based on you know, I can put their puzzle piece together to understand. And then we start at the core of whom they are. And then, as we grow out and they really begin to understand and embrace who they are, then different things fall into alignment. And as things fall into alignment, I also like to say things fall out of someone's life. So suddenly the job that wasn't in alignment life, so suddenly the job that wasn't in alignment. Now they have a new opportunity, the relationship that wasn't going so great, well, now that's over and someone new has come in. So it this beautiful ripple effect that begins to happen throughout someone's life, and I just find it. It's so impactful and it is such a gift and I'm sure you understand this so much to be along, to be a guide, to be an advisor, to help someone on that path, to really shine that light, to be that beacon so that they can find the light within them.

Speaker 1:

Yes, and it's interesting you say that because when the Catholic nun, sister Marion, came to see me, she couldn't understand why some of the nuns were so mean and so cruel to her. And and I got the intuitive hit I where I said they're jealous and envious of you because you lived, you were, you got married, you had a son, you raised that child and then, when the child got to a certain age, you join, you know, the monastery. They went in in the beginning and I was like Ooh, and they all have trauma. There's ones that hoard it's, it's. It blows people away when they show me stuff. I'm like there's one woman, her room is just so hoarded and I started reading all the different nuns and she was like, oh, my gosh, how do you know this? And I said, cause, that's what you know I'm being, I'm being shown and I said so. You need to develop love and compassion for these women because they wish deep down in their heart they got married, maybe, or they had a family, or would their life be different if they made other choices? But they didn't. Some of these women escaped abusive relationships. They didn't want to get married. They had traumatic home life experience. They struggled with work and couldn't make a living.

Speaker 1:

And when I broke it all down she was like yes, yes, yes. And I said that's why a lot of people don't join, you know, become nuns anymore. Because you know it's just, it's not in this. I hate to say this, it's not a way to escape reality and living.

Speaker 1:

I said if someone's really going to do it now, it's to be of service, it's a calling and and it was interesting because she would call me her spiritual advisor and I'm and I'm just like you can't say that around, you know you can't. And she was like I know they would, and she was like they'd kick me out if they knew I was coming to you for spiritual advice. And I said but all this spiritual advice is healing you and it's helping you shift your consciousness to where you don't take it personally anymore and you're not battling with these nuns, you realize why they're stuck and you're this beam of light and you're happy and it is beautiful. I mean, I'd say that is my most favorite thing to do is the intuitive coaching, the spiritual coaching, because they know more about us than we know.

Speaker 2:

Absolutely. Yeah, it's a blessing and I love that every day is a new day and you don't necessarily know what is coming via the client that's coming that day. You know it's wonderful and for me, like I'm a life path number five, like I need that. I need that balance between adventure and the unknown and the practicality of things, and so it fits quite well. And the practicality of things, and so it fits quite well. And, yeah, I just I love being a part in being that spiritual advisor, being that mentor, being that beacon of light to watch other people find their light. I mean, there's nothing more gratifying than that.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, my nickname for the longest time was the pinhole of light. Yeah, my nickname for the longest time was the pinhole of light. And one woman was like you're, no, you're, you're a lighthouse, you're a lighthouse, you're just, you know. But yeah it, it. It's cool because and I'm curious about this there have been times where, before someone even shows up, I'm getting intuitive hits about them. It's like they're chatting away, chatting away, chatting away, and so I can have this whole information load about this person. And they show up and then I try to see well, what are they going to say? I mean, to me that's always the interesting part is really being quiet and listening and hearing their story and figuring out how invested they are in their story and trying to, like you said, the puzzle pieces, trying to put the puzzle pieces you know of this and this and this to um, to support them and and to be of service.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it's a beautiful blessing when you get to the point of life when you have your spiritual gifts and you work with them and you lean into them to understand that they're a blessing, because long before they're a blessing, you will think that they're a curse. I don't know many people that don't. Until you learn how to discern and work with your spirit guides and with your spirit team and with the gifts that you have, a lot of people are overwhelmed and can't handle that. So while we're talking about how wonderful and, you know, amazing it is, you know Betty Lou could be like well, I'm over here, you know talking. You know getting all these downloads and it's too much. And to those people we say you know, that's the time to learn discernment, that's the time to learn you know what are your practices and how do you practice protecting your energy and being on versus not being on. You know, and that's okay too.

Speaker 2:

And there are definitely times where you know I have a girlfriend who we could be walking down the street and she could see you two blocks away and she will hunt you down to deliver a message. Now, I am not that person. However, there have been times, like yesterday. I was on the phone with a gentleman from the car shop and he began to tell me about his dad that had passed away. The car shop, and he began to tell me about his dad that had passed away. And I'm like, oh, I was waiting for it, you know. And here comes his dad and I'm waiting and I'm like do you, do you want me to say something to him? Do you have a message? And he was like no, he's like I just want him to feel my energy through you. And it was so beautiful and so impactful, you know. So it doesn't always have to be that you're delivering, you know, this wild, amazing message. Sometimes it's just looking at someone and smiling at them. That is the message that they needed in that moment.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, or letting them know that there's signs and that and that they will communicate to you through signs if you ask for it, and that I always think is fascinating, when you give them that little tidbit and then they get the sign and they're like oh my God, I did happen. That happened with one woman that I was coaching up in Canada. Her father passed away from a freak accident and I told her no, he's been trying to communicate with you through signs. And when she was a half an hour later, she was vacuuming in her house and she picked up a magazine and a little pamphlet fell out and she picked it up and she read it and she started crying. She literally took a picture of it. It was a pendant that said I will never forget you, I'm always with you, I always love you. I mean, it was so beautiful. And she was like yes, I got the sign, I got the message, and they do, they do, and I got to share this and I'm going to try not to cry. Sometimes it can feel like a blessing and a curse, because a really good friend of mine passed away A really good friend of mine, and what was weird is he was here on a Monday and I started reading him and I said something to him where I'm like do you know, you're slowly dying inside, Do you know that?

Speaker 1:

And he said yes, and I was talking to him because he was really struggling with work, his health, all kinds of stuff. And he said, yes, and I was talking to him because he was really struggling with work, his health, all kinds of stuff, and he wasn't feeling good. And I said you need to go to the doctor, the urgent care, now. You need to go. And he went and they said he had gallstones. But he also, um, his white blood cell platelets were really low, it was at 30% and it should have been at 100% and they discharged him. And then on Thursday he was supposed to show up and work for me he's my son's disability support worker and he sent me a picture where he woke up and there was blood in his mouth and I was like, dude, go to the hospital now. And he didn't go. And that evening I even texted him a message and I said what did the doctor say? Well, friday morning he was rushed to ambulance, to the hospital. He we still don't know what happened to 50% and when they finally did surgery Saturday morning on his brain. He was a vegetable and they had to pull the plug and I cried.

Speaker 1:

I was just like I knew it and it's hard, you know, when you have those intuitive hits that someone is going and we can struggle with it, where we don't want to really believe it. No, no, no, no, no. But it's weird because in my room I have this painting by the same artist, called Welcome, and to me that is the image of being up in heaven and it was vibrating and it was pulsating in front of me and he was in the room right next to me and to me that meant it was calling someone home. It was calling someone home and that's when I started reading him and telling him all this. It's like it just came right through. Tell him this and and I've had to make you know peace with that Cause, I mean, of course it was. You know it was really hard that.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, he actually did pass Saturday. We went to his celebration of life. But the real nice thing is the day after he passed. When I woke up in the morning, the first thing I saw was his smiling, beaming face at me his smiling, beaming face at me, and I knew he was okay, that he was in a better place and that he it was his time to go. And he was, he was ready for it. And it's hard to say that he was 37. So hard to say that, so young.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, oh, I'm so sorry, but the blessing is that you did deliver the message and he did heed it and he went to the doctors.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, and I mean and that is a blessing that he did hear it and he did heed it and he did go, and I have to forgive the doctor that you know did not admit him to the hospital because, cause, when he was there in the hospital on Friday, the doctor there was like, why wasn't he admitted on Monday? Why? Why did they release him? Yeah, and and so there are some times, like even with our own, you know health, I tell people get a second opinion. Seriously, if your gut is telling you that's your intuition, your gut is telling you, no, I need a second opinion. Go get it, do it, cause I yeah, it's really important I wouldn't have kids if I didn't listen to someone's you know intuitive hit advice about me when I was younger, cause I got a really bad infection and and I didn't know how serious it was until I went to the doctor and he was like, if you would have waited a week longer, you never would have had kids, and it's like wow. So sometimes we need to really stop and go within and ask ourselves you know, what should I do? And listen to that guidance and listen to that you know that intuition, because when we second guess it, then you could regret it, because that that was a blessing that you were being given.

Speaker 2:

Absolutely, and it's. It's a muscle, just like anything else that needs to be trained, yes, and the more that you work with it, the more that you will build the trust. Yes, more that you'll feel comfortable leaning into it. And between point A and point B, that's when I suggest journal, journal down those signs. You know, journal it all. You can review it, you can go back and see what resonates with you. You feel confident in yourself and it's okay to you know, maybe get a validation from someone else, but truly you want to be listening to you. You the best, you the best.

Speaker 1:

Yes, that's, that's a hundred percent. I fully, I fully agree with that. And that's why, like one friend was asking me, like there's moments where she was like I don't get these intuitive hits. I don't get these intuitive hits, why, why? Why, and I said, when you're stuck in the levels of 3D human consciousness, they can't really talk to you. You have to think about it is when you calm yourself down and you're at neutrality, which is 250 in the state of human consciousness, that's when they can talk to you but they can't communicate or get through. When you're stuck in anger or hatred or despair or any of that, you need to raise yourself up and realize that that's where your happiness is, is up here. It's not, you know, down there.

Speaker 1:

And a lot of people would always say you know well why is desire bad? Why is desire bad? Because desire is in the area of 125. And I said because that's greed and that's lust and people are disposable and it's where you're hungry for attention, you're yearning for sexual approval. There's vanity, enslavement, adrenaline, junkies. You know unsatisfied cravings. You're always disappointed. When you're with someone, you want them to love you unconditionally and accept you and embrace you. You don't want someone that's going to superficially be your friend and then the next day ghost you. We see that all the time and that's why I think more people are seeking an emotional connection first over the physical, because the physical one is the lust. You know and yes, we all have, you know needs, but you got to think about it like how you just said, about you know getting a massage and everything. You're letting someone in your space and you should honor and protect your space in a way where this is your temple. It's not a dumpster, it's a temple.

Speaker 2:

Absolutely, absolutely. You want to keep your energy yours. Yeah, you want to be very careful whose energy you engage with.

Speaker 1:

Yes, you do, and that's why I tell people, you know, be that quiet observer, you know, really become self-aware, listen to what they're saying, really, really listen and figure out. You know where they're at where they're at with money, where they're at with their relationship, with their friends and family, with their career, because they'll tell you everything. They'll, you know, they'll lay their cards out on the table if you really know how to listen. Absolutely, absolutely, yeah. Well, jennifer, this has been such a gift. I am so excited. I've been wanting, I've been literally giddy for weeks, going, oh, I can't wait to talk to her. I can't wait to talk to her. Yeah, so where can people find you? Social media website, youtube, tell, tell everyone.

Speaker 2:

Best place to find me is my website, which is jenniferpilatescom. You head there. You will find everything from the YouTube channel to the podcast, to the coaching, to the readings, to the Pilates everything. So head right there to jenniferpilatescom. Feel free to send a message. I will be happy to continue this conversation and chat more, and happy to explore and be the beacon of light that you might need.

Speaker 1:

Awesome. Thank you so much and I will include all of your links and everything in the podcast. So thank you. Thank you, Jennifer. Many blessings to you.

Speaker 2:

Thank you so much.

Speaker 1:

All right, have a great day.