Master the Upper Rooms of Human Consciousness

Beyond the Robes: Finding Purpose in a Fast-Paced World

• Kerie Logan • Season 1 • Episode 56

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What happens when an 18-year-old college student decides to shave his head, drop out, and become a monk? Madhu's extraordinary journey from monastery to millionaire entrepreneur reveals powerful lessons about mind management, spiritual growth, and finding harmony in our hyper-connected world.

After discovering ancient philosophical texts as a teenager, Madhu spent five years in monasteries across India and beyond, waking at 3:30 AM for meditation and dedicating himself to service. His transition back to conventional life wasn't smooth—having never held a professional job or managed more than a few hundred dollars, he describes his first years post-monastery as "precarious." Yet the wisdom he gained became the foundation for building a conscious seven-figure business.

The most transformative insight Madhu shares involves making your mind your best friend rather than your worst enemy. He explains that our inner critic is often a wounded younger version of ourselves needing nurturing, not punishment. Through accepting our true nature and adopting a service mindset, we can retrain negative thought patterns into powerful allies.

Madhu challenges the false dichotomy between spiritual fulfillment and material success, explaining that health, wealth, and happiness are intrinsically connected: "There is no spiritual nourishment without physical nourishment, and no physical nourishment without resources." This holistic approach helps explain how he maintained spiritual integrity while building business success.

With refreshing clarity, Madhu also offers an inclusive perspective on spirituality that transcends religious boundaries. He argues that true divinity must be all-knowing, all-powerful, and all-loving—creating unique paths for each person's divine connection rather than enforcing rigid dogma.

Ready to apply ancient wisdom to modern challenges? Visit madhulife.com or find Madhu on social media to access his free courses and resources. DM him "upper rooms" to receive special access to his unreleased content on healing core wounds and managing conditioning.

Speaker 1:

Hello everyone, this is your host, Keri Logan, at Master the Upper Rooms, and today I have a special guest and he, which is different than every other person I have interviewed and talked to. He became a monk and he's going to share his experience about that, along with many other things, but his expertise lies in helping clients create balanced lives by aligning with their vision and overcoming personal and professional obstacles. He helps people building structures for lasting transformation, and Madhu is deeply committed to his role as both a teacher and a lifelong student and I love how he said lifelong student which keeps his guidance fresh, authentic and grounded in continual learning, and I like to say continual education. So, Madhu, with all those great things about you, welcome to the show and how are you today?

Speaker 2:

I'm so grateful to be meeting with you because it takes so much time, energy and effort to create such a sacred space like this podcast, where we get to talk about practical tips to actually improve the quality of our life, so I'm thrilled.

Speaker 1:

Awesome. So I'm very curious and fascinated of why did you decide to become a monk. What was that calling for you?

Speaker 2:

So you're telling me most 18 year old men don't want to shave their head and become celibate? Yeah, it definitely is strange trajectory, that's for sure. But what happened when I read a book when I was 16 called the Bhagavad Gita and for those unfamiliar with the text, it's a multi-thousand year old literature from ancient India and it ultimately talks about philosophical concepts that just blew my mind and ultimately I started to realize, wow, I know so little about myself, about this world, about the nature of what's metaphysical beyond the physical, etc. And that's what employed my deep dive into, let's just say, ancient philosophy and knowledge. And so for about a year and a half, as I was going to college, I was like I was it wasn't exactly for me.

Speaker 2:

Let's put it that way. I was going to school for construction management and architecture for various reasons, and I was like, okay, I could stay on this trajectory or I could start to take this time that I have now and really study ancient knowledge and how to practically apply it in my life. And then, on my 18th birthday, I was like, okay, let's do it. And I dropped out of college, shaved my head, moved to India to live in a monastery.

Speaker 1:

And how long were you there for?

Speaker 2:

So five years as a monk, practicing on and off from India for visa purposes, every 180 days. They'd kick me out and I'd come and stay in different monasteries in the West, mostly in the US, but also throughout, say, europe and some other places, and so on and off for about five years until I graduated.

Speaker 1:

And why was your decision to leave?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it's kind of like. It's not exactly like a associate's, bachelor's or master's degree or anything like that, but most monks about 99 of us, student monks will graduate to become quote-unquote normal people. I mean, I don't think anyone would call me normal, but to to integrate. There are what we jokingly call the one percenters, those who go for gold, that they take a lifelong vow of celibacy, and that's usually what we jokingly call the one percenters those who go for gold and they take a lifelong vow of celibacy, and that's usually what we think of when we think of monk is somebody like an old man in the woods, but that's definitely the minority of those who become monks.

Speaker 2:

And so, usually under the guidance of your teachers, once you have say, shown enough understanding of the concepts of the ancient philosophy and ways in which you can integrate it, then it's like, hey, you feeling good, it's time to get back to life. You know, kind of quote unquote start life over. Um, and yeah, after about five years for me that's when it was time it was like, all right, I'm, I'm ready to uh, start to live back in this world per se and that must I mean.

Speaker 1:

How was that transition going from that super peaceful place to boom everything?

Speaker 2:

else. Back to the quote unquote real world, yeah, real world, yeah, yeah, I, I wouldn't call it smooth, it was uh, maybe jostling is the word. There's a way in which, after spending so many years where it's, it's I I jokingly call it a spiritual frat house because you're with other monks and it's fun, you know there's there's a taste you get for waking up at 3 34 in the morning doing hours of meditation and you're doing it together, kind of like. A lot of my friends were in the military. They've expressed a similar kind of experience.

Speaker 1:

I was just going to say that, yeah.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, totally yeah, there's a camaraderie with it, there's a way in which it's like the discipline almost becomes fun and you know there's there's a yeah, there's a taste in it. And so for years of doing that and really having the focus on just self-study and service and really the service you know, from breakfast to dinner, pretty much you're, you're just using your gifts, your psychophysical nature, whatever talents you have, and integrating that to serve others and taking that and starting to quote unquote build a life if you will.

Speaker 2:

That means make a little money, find some love, whatever the case might be. It was shocking and I'm grateful to say that because I have really wonderful teachers and had they made it as smooth as it could be, but nonetheless it was quite the shocking transition, to say the least.

Speaker 1:

It was quite the shocking transition, to say the least.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I would think so, because the very first thought that hit in my head is it's got to be the same exact experience for when veterans come back, but for them they were in the deep dive of chaos and what we call the real world is peaceful for them. But sometimes some of those people are adrenaline junkies. They crave that, they want that. You know that dynamic, and so it can be really confusing, because I've heard some talk to a few veterans too and they say really confusing because I've heard some talk to a few veterans too and they say it's so hard to connect and relate to people that have never, you know, witnessed or or walked in their shoes and they don't, they can't talk about it. It's really hard to talk about those things.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I mean all glories to our veterans you know so grateful for their service and definitely I would say there's some overlap in that way and maybe on the opposite side Right.

Speaker 1:

It's the opposite. It is yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:

The counter to that, where it's like, okay, going to a world where everything's very routine, disciplined, structure, yes, and it's a very simple life. You know, you have robes, it's a one-size-fits-all. You kind of wrap them in a particular way from top and bottom and you never have to worry about what color you're wearing. Oh, orange again today, cool. And you know what's my hair do buzz, all right, cool, and there's a simplicity to it. And then kind of coming back into the world, yeah, it's, it's on the similarly shocking but different I. I'm the opposite of adrenaline junkie, that's for.

Speaker 1:

So on the other end of that extreme, yeah, no, I get it so and I like for me getting myself so clear and clear and clear of just emotional stuff. For me it's hard to watch TV, it's hard for me to go to the movies because I lost that filter and I have to there's sometimes I have to remind myself this is just a movie, it's not real. This is just a movie. It's not real because my body is so get so reactive to stuff and I could see that being the same way as being in the monastery and you had this, you know peaceful energy, and you go out into the world and it's just like whoa.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, something like that, that's for sure. And you know, I'm grateful to say that as my time in amongst. So everyone's engaged according to their nature. So, for instance, someone who likes to cook, they cook for us and they cook for all the. You know we do public events and we distribute lots of food to anyone who needs it, et cetera.

Speaker 2:

You know, for myself, I always liked teaching. I just, for better, for worse, this mouth just talks and talks and talks, and so we would go to universities and teach meditation there, and so there was a way in which I was somewhat one foot in, one foot out of the quote unquote. Real world made it a little bit more easy than, say, some of my friends who are on the more introverted, reclusive side spent years, yeah, almost like a very sheltered perspective. But in my case I will say it was as easy as I think it could have been, given that I had all the wonderful support from my teachers.

Speaker 2:

But it was hard, especially from the financial aspect, because since I joined on my 18th birthday, prior to that I was a life guard and I made eight dollars an hour, I think it was seven, seven, seven dollars, fifty cents an hour, and that was just in the summer times when I wasn't going to school and on the side I would help my dad at the art gallery he managed. So I never had, like any professional experience. I had never had more than maybe a max, a few hundred dollars in my bank account at any given time. So for the first two years after graduating it was the word might be precarious. It was strange, it was unstable, figuring out how the heck to make some money, and I'm grateful that eventually I figured it out. But yeah, it was, let's call it, precarious.

Speaker 1:

Okay, so I'm really curious what are some of your daily practices to keep the mind as our best friend?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, there's a saying in the ancient Vedic literatures, ancient yoga literatures from India, that the mind can either become the best friend or the worst enemy and it's all a matter of how we train it, and really a better word might be management, like kind of make. You're constantly making deals with the mind, like it's a relationship, yeah that's yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2:

Because we are different than our mind. We can perceive the mind, just like we're different than the body. We're in the body, but we can see the body's constantly changing. Every seven years, the cells in the body completely redevelop. We're taking on new carnage, new flesh every seven years, reincarnating, and so, similarly, we can see the body change. We can also see the mind change. So we know we're not the mind, we have a mind. We know we're not the body, we have a body.

Speaker 2:

So to your, as you just eloquently expressed it, it's a relationship Like, it's you, the unit of consciousness, self, soul, whatever term we want to use perceiving the mind. How do we make that a cordial relationship? And ultimately it comes down to number one accepting our true intrinsic gifts, really getting in touch with our psychophysical nature and the way our brain works and how to work with the current of our tendencies and our nature and our conditioning, as opposed to trying to fight against it. Which is really the biggest obstacle for people with working with their mind is that they're trying to work against the training of their mind, the conditioning. Rather, we want to. The current is going in the direction. Let's figure out how to get that type of wind behind ourselves instead of trying to go against it. And so step number one is, through introspection, through assistance from others, really understanding what is our nature, our gifts, our conditioning, et cetera.

Speaker 2:

And then step number two is what I call a service mindset. The mind is constantly trying to. All it does is one thing is let's try to keep us safe. Every decision it makes is just try to keep this biology together, keep our physical body alive. And so how do we start to retrain the brain towards a sense of giving instead of taking, because it's just going to want to for self-preservational purposes. Keep us safe, keep us safe.

Speaker 2:

There is a maybe nuance there of how do we redefine safety to the mind, but that's kind of a different direction. Rather, what I would say is adjusting to what I call a service-based mindset. That means starting to create new neural circuitry from stimuli to response instead of stimuli. How can this benefit me? What does this do for me? The mind's always scheming. How can I take this experience and not just benefit myself but use it to improve the quality of life of other individuals? And these two foundational principles which, of course, is a lot more nuanced, but these two foundational principles of understanding and accepting ourself and using the currents of our nature and retraining or recalibrating the mind towards service. That's generosity as opposed to consumption.

Speaker 2:

But, what that does is that puts us in a situation where the mind actually gets a taste for it. The mind starts to go oh, wow, this is actually providing us deep, even more than happiness. Contentment, purpose, satisfaction and those two pillars of what I always say not only have I, they've created so much peace in my life, but those are two areas that anyone can start to do immediately and start to feel some relief from.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, A hundred percent. I posted a podcast recently about how to silence the negative mind. You know that negative voice in your mind and I shared the story of a 16 boy that I was working with that was always struggling with anger, anger, anger, anger, anger, anger. And I said to him that, well, when you hear that voice in your head, I want you to close your eyes and see how old you were. How old were you at that time? And he was like eight or nine years old. I said okay, so that's how old that that voice is.

Speaker 1:

That's a part of you, that wounded part in you that's trying to get your attention and it's angry. And instead of being a nurturing, loving, supporting parent, you're being an authoritarian parent and you're telling it shut up, leave me alone, go to your room, I don't care what you have to say or how you feel, and you're ignoring it. You're actually wounding it and hurting it more. You need to quiet yourself down and talk to that, like you said, as if it's your best friend, because it is your best friend. Stop beating it up. And I told him. I said the more you do that and you build this relationship, that voice will become quiet. And then you've transformed it and you've healed it and now it's your ally, it is your best friend, it is in your best interest, it well, it it. And and he literally sat there and started doing that internal work and I was like yes, yes, yes, yes. And if more people you know had that mindset when we, when we have anxiety or we have anger or whatever we're feeling, is, what are you trying to tell me? You know there's a message in all of that. You just have to be quiet and go within, raise yourself up vibrationally where you're content and satisfied. You got to be neutral because you might not like what it has to say.

Speaker 1:

And, seriously, when the guy did it the young boy did it the first time the voice really didn't take him honest. He said, well, I want to be friends with you. And the voice was like well, I don't know if you want to be friends with me or you can be friends with me because you're always yelling at me. And he was like, whoa, I'm like, see, you got to have this dialogue with with yourself, cause, um, that voice isn't going to go away. It's never going to go away. Actually, the only way it goes away is if you heal it and you make it your best friend. That's how you silence that voice, cause I don't have a negative critic anymore, and and and I'm so blessed, I'm, I'm so happy and I want everyone to have that experience. So thank you for for sharing that.

Speaker 2:

Well, so well said, and I really thank you too, because what you shared is just such a practical point for all of us, and that is that really, we have all of these what am I calling it child wounds Like from the time that we are, you know, prior to seven, is we're just pretty much a subconscious mind, just sponge, absorbing information, to you know, from our development years on and taking all these parts of ourselves, our younger selves that are, say, stunted in particular areas.

Speaker 2:

The way that we heal is going back in that place and, as you mentioned, becoming a friend, nurturing that aspect so as to allow it to grow on. Ultimately, all of the challenges, triggers, issues we have, you know, anger being the bodyguard to sadness, that's deeper than all of these feelings that come up ultimately come down to those unresolved feelings in our childhood from our caretakers, and not necessarily blaming them, but having an understanding of why it developed that way and then going back in that place, healing it so that the mind, as you mentioned, can be the best friend, and that's how you do it in a sustainable way, as opposed to just trying to lock it in the closet and la, la, la, la, I hear nothing, which is what most of our minds tend to want to do. So anyway, very well said, Thank you.

Speaker 1:

Yeah. So my next question is how can we harmonize health, wealth and happiness in today's fast-paced world? What are your insights?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I think it's important to define terms and really what we're talking about, because sometimes there's a way in which it's like oh, can you be spiritual and have a lot of money? In order to have a lot of money, I have to compromise my health. I got to work a bunch. There's all of these false premises behind, let's just say, the connotations behind these words. So what I'd like to do is strip these terms and connotations and really define them Really. What we're talking about here is we are a unit of consciousness, right, we have a body, we have a mind, we can perceive them and we can see that they're changing outside of ourselves, and then we can also see that there's resources outside of us. So, just defining these three terms, they're like quote unquote. When we talk about spirituals, it doesn't have to be a.

Speaker 1:

sometimes people think it's like a woo-woo trip.

Speaker 2:

It's like no, literally, I know, of spirit, like a view of consciousness of the unit that we are, and then, beyond that is the health we have our physical, mental, emotional health, and beyond that we have the resources around us, aka wealth. And you, nowadays we don't really barter spices or or or precious metals as much, or whatever, so really we're talking about wealth in the form of cash or any commodities, whatever it might be.

Speaker 2:

So so we have the self, the casing, emotional, mental, physical, body and the resources outside of that. The way that we harmonize is number one understand that what each of those affects the other means, in order for one to perceive the self from within, one has to be outside of survival mode. In other words, the body has to be cooperating. The mind as well as the body needs to cooperate. Otherwise, if we're constantly just fighting in survival mode, then what happens is we functionally become like animals in society. We're constantly just fighting in survival mode, then what happens is we functionally become like animals in society. We're just eating, sleeping, mating, defending. We're just constantly in the mode of survival. And as a human being which has this beautiful prefrontal cortex which allows us to have recursive language and ask questions and say what the heck is the purpose of life and who am I and what am I here to do? And we're the only living entities that we currently know of in this world I would be remiss to say that we're the only living entities ever, but at least in this world that we could perceive, that have that ability to ask these questions and think beyond, the way in which we can understand that the only way we could acknowledge spirit is to be in a proper quote unquote vehicle and have a mind and a body that cooperate. And in order to do that we have to have the proper resources. We must have, let's say, at least our quota, a safe place to be, enough healthy food to eat, et cetera, and all these resources. So what I would say is this is really the foundation of answering that question is understanding that they're all intrinsically connected. There is no spiritual nourishment without physical nourishment, there's no physical nourishment without having the resources to nurture etc. So having that, say, acceptance of they're all in happiness, contentment, fulfillment, whatever term I want to give it means you must have some balance of all three.

Speaker 2:

And then the practical way to start to, let's say, work on balancing them like that's a mental, theoretical aspect of the practical, physiological way even we get into it is starting from again nourishing the body so that it can cooperate, and as well as nourishing the mind, kind of like you were just giving such great practical tools to doing that. As well as nourishing the body, making sure that you're eating and sleeping is balanced, making sure that your body is moving on a regular basis, that you sit down and shut up and meditate sometimes, or whatever needs to happen to just make sure the mind and the physical body have what it needs to actually not just survive but thrive. And then from there we can then start to introspect, we can start to go deeper and deeper and again ask these questions like who am I? What's my purpose? How can I be of service in this lifetime?

Speaker 2:

What is the lesson the universe, divinity, is trying to teach me? What's got my attention? How do I fix my attention on the things I actually want, et cetera. So understanding they're intrinsically connected and then practically making sure that the vehicle, the biomechanical robot, human body and the mind are taken care of. So as we, so as to spend time actually using this beautiful brain, we have to figure out how to go beyond just survival mode.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, no, that was beautifully said. Thank you for sharing that, and I like to say why I highly recommend people working with coaches like yourself is they'll hit roadblocks, and I'll give a perfect example of a roadblock. Roadblocks is let's say you grew up in a really wealthy home, wealthy home environment. Your parents go to look at your place and they might not approve of how you live and even though you are a minimalist, let's say you're living in one of those small. And even though you are a minimalist, let's say you're living in one of those small, tiny little homes, you are so happy and you are so content and that's it that works. Be external factors that will want you to conform and comply and that that doesn't work. Like getting a little personal here.

Speaker 1:

I have a family member visiting, you know, for the holidays and we we saw a movie and he we were, it was heretic and that was very hard for me to watch, extremely hard for me to watch. But he wanted to watch it and had lots of religion and he's a very strict Christian and we started talking and he was trying to convince me to read the bible, that I cannot be one with God unless I read the Bible and I pretty much got to the point where I'm like I have a beautiful relationship with God. I am one with God. I am a kind, caring, forgiving, loving, compassionate person. I don't need to go to church to be one with God. I could be with God right now and if God really wanted me to read the Bible then he would have guided me to read the Bible. And he hasn't, and I have no desire at all. And he's like no, you're stuck in pride. You're stuck in pride. That's what a lot of people you know will say to get out of it. And I'm just like why can't you accept that I have? I am satisfied and content with the relationship that I have and that is beautiful. And if I needed more, I would get it more.

Speaker 1:

But I found God through spirituality. I did not find God through religion and I think that's the disconnect. And he was like well, you're getting all mad and stuff. I said no, I'm not, I'm not getting mad. I realize that you found religion by. You know all the passages spoke to you and that's what you know. That works for you, but that wouldn't work for me, it wouldn't.

Speaker 1:

He's like well, have you tried reading? And I'm like, yeah, but I didn't like what it said about women, so I put it down. It didn't. It didn't. You know, it's an old man, an old person's perspective, and how do we know how much in there is factual or truth? So, yes, people can run into those scenarios of, well, you should be making more money, or you should be living this sort of lifestyle, or you need this certain kind of designer bed or designer clothes, and we get to a point where it's like is that really going to make me happy? Is it going to improve the quality of my life? I mean, I could be spending that money on organic food and knowing I'm eating clean food, instead of having a designer bag or a Rolex watch.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I like this word you use. Well, I like his. I say that loosely, the term should. It's like the way in which, always shooting on ourselves and shooting on everyone. And yeah, it's a fascinating point that you mentioned. I appreciate you sharing it. There's a way in which we, we, the way the mind works it it it likes black and white, it likes it's this or it's that, it should be this or it should be that.

Speaker 2:

And you know, one thing I'm so grateful to have learned while being a monk and really studying all religions and philosophy and theologies around the world is, ultimately, there's powers higher than us. There's no way to doubt that. If anyone goes nope, there's no higher power. Just step outside in the sun, spend a couple of days in the sun. Let me know there's no power higher. Go spend a little time in the ocean. Tell me there's no powers higher than you. It's, we're certain. There's obviously powers that are higher than us.

Speaker 2:

So really, the question is, when we're talking about divinity, god, the supreme, the source of spirit, whatever term we want to give, really just talking about the highest of all, high powers, and if we're as to kind of maybe do the shorthand version, if we get to what is the highest conceivable version of the highest of all high powers. We're really the most powerful something, some entity that is all powerful but must also be all loving. Because if you have an entity that's all powerful but not all loving, then you're not talking about the highest of all high powers. Because if you're all powerful, that means you also have the capacity to be all loving and also all knowing. Omniscient. We call it the triple OG the omniscient, omnibenevolent, omnipotent, all powerful, which then means all knowing, which then also means all loving. And would an all loving divine source restrict their love simply from somebody's mental decisions because they go to this church instead of that one, this synagogue instead of that one, this temple instead of that one? No, now we're not talking about divinity anymore. We're talking about a uh, actually someone who's we're talking like an evil entity here, somebody who through would smite someone just because of mental decisions like that. That's just a very poor conception of the ultimate Supreme. Rather, every living entity has a unique relationship with divinity because divinity is all powerful. That means they can make all opportunities for one's individual connection because they're all loving. They want to make every opportunity for each of us to reconnect because they're all knowing they also can create all opportunities based off of our minds, our conditionings and our free will to give us the opportunity, so that all we have to do is use our free will to move in the direction of that unique, individual, divine connection.

Speaker 2:

And sometimes there's a way in which we get so. You know, I'm a, I'm a, this, I'm a, I'm a man, I'm a woman, I'm a black, white, I'm a Hindu, muslim, jewish, I'm rich, I'm a this, I'm a man, I'm a woman, I'm a black, white, I'm a Hindu, muslim, jewish. I'm rich, I'm poor, I'm pretty. We have all these labels we throw on ourself which just put us in a little box. No, I am a unit of consciousness, I'm a soul, just like you're a soul. We are all souls and that's actually how we're equal.

Speaker 2:

Even the constitution says how we don't look alike, we don't smell like, we don't sound like. We're equal on the level of the soul and on that level of the soul which we are intrinsically divine and divinely connected. That's where we want to connect, beyond these designations. I'm at this, I'm at that, and that's where true happiness can be found. As opposed to the sectarian, I'm in this, you're that, and therefore, I'm gonna shoot all over you, which is just, it's just, uh. You know what is it? You know, unsolicited advice is like the stinkiest thing and anyone could ever smell, and so, anyway, yeah, that's, that's my no thank you for for sharing that, because it it is really true.

Speaker 1:

We are all one. We're cut from the same cloth and a lot of people don't realize that, and we're all here to learn different lessons on earth, and so I mean, and we chose the body up there before we came down. So if you're, if you needed to learn something in one area like for you, you you were guided towards, you know, being a monk. There's people that want to be in South Africa, there's people that want to be in South America, there's people that want to be in India or different places around here, and all of those cultures and the community and all that it shapes us. Like you said, we're a sponge. We just absorb all this information, but then the real gift is discovering who you are, your spirit, your authentic self, what is calling you and and stripping everything away, everything away and and becoming one with, I would say you know, our creator and and your higher self and what, what's in the universe, and having that balance, having that flow and being satisfied and content. So, like for you, it's a love of music. You know I can see all your guitars and stuff that you love music, and for me, I love music too, but I couldn't even play the recorder. I sucked so bad at playing any musical instrument. But oh, you get me on a dance floor and I will just be like Michael Jackson and just have so much fun.

Speaker 1:

And I say you know, I become one with the music, you know you. Just you move with it, you flow with it, the music is you and you are the music. And that's how I would actually teach men when I was in college and high school how to dance. That said, oh, I can't dance. It said imagine a bubble around you and you close your eyes and I want you to dance with that music. How does that music speak to your body? What's it saying to you? And I kid you not, these dudes became excellent dancers where they had no problem meeting women. It was kind of funny. It was like, yes, because they were very shy, but that was just one way of helping someone get out of their head into their heart and have fun and be creative and just go with the flow well said yeah, what a practical way.

Speaker 2:

And everyone likes. You know, it's interesting because everyone likes music. No one's like yeah, yeah, any genre will do, but and then so many people might not admit it, but everyone likes it. It's just a matter of stepping out of the brain yeah, yeah, well, and you can get lost in music.

Speaker 1:

I mean there's, there's sometimes where just the melody like my son loves classical music there and he loves choir music and opera and stuff and there's some time from all different countries, like Balting, there's the one woman from Baltic that her voice is so amazing that he literally cried. He's like, oh, this touched me so deeply and I'm sure with you, because I know you like to play music and stuff that there's moments that you just become one with that guitar and there's no separation. You're just to me, that's magic. To me that's just a beautiful experience that I wish everyone could find, something that speaks to them, where you just blend with it. And I mean that's how we get all our hobbies, our talents.

Speaker 2:

Absolutely yeah, music the language that we all speak.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, language that everyone can understand in the world that we all speak, yeah, language that everyone can understand in the world. Sweet, so I know you're an amazing coach and you work with a lot of people, and I know you were talking about how you had very, very little, but you've done a lot. You went from being a monk to a millionaire, building a conscious seven figure business. So, kudos, you know to you, and I'm sure there's lots of other people out there that would like to learn more about you and discover how you found you. And so where do people find you? Madhu, like, I know that you're at. You got YouTube, you got LinkedIn, you got Instagram, you got Facebook, you even got TikTok, but you have a website. So what's your website?

Speaker 2:

Absolutely Well on all platforms, all the ones that you mentioned and any others that are out there, it's madhulife L-I-F-E. So madhulife, madhulife on all platforms. And you know, thank you for your kind words and I'm grateful to say yeah, after all these years, to be able to not just grow our own coaching business but really starting the marketing agency to help others do it. It's just. I'm every day grateful for that. And we actually give away all of our courses, all of our knowledge and templates away for free. So you know anyone who's the reason we do that is, I like the idea of free education, I like just gifting everything away. And you know, our business is really just people who don't want to have to implement it on their own, but it's a. It's pretty straightforward that we like to give everyone as much opportunity, as much access, as much knowledge as possible. And so for anyone who's looking for more ways on what we have it's called the monk mindsets, like understanding the mind and overcoming it, everything to our you know, growing say, your wellness business, to improving your health through holistic wellness, we have all these courses that we give completely free, and so, on any platform that anyone wants to reach out, madhulife, you could DM us? Actually, let's do this. We have something we're about to come out with it. It you could dm us.

Speaker 2:

Actually, let's do this. Uh, we have something we're about to come out with it. It's new, it's not yet launched, but if if they reach out from you from this podcast, what I'll do is I'll gift them that early access. So why don't we do this? If anyone sends me the word, how about upper rooms? This is where I'll nice from you. If anyone listening sends me the word upper rooms on any platform, from our website to social media modded out live, um, send me the word upper rooms and I'll actually send you not only access to all our free content, but the one that's not launched yet. It specifically all has to do with understanding, conditioning and what we call core wounds and how to start to unwork those and manage them going forward.

Speaker 1:

Well, that's a that's a very generous gift. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I'm sure all the listeners will truly appreciate that. So, with that said, I am so happy we got to finally do this and and connect, and I I know you're going to enjoy the beautiful weather down there in Southern California.

Speaker 2:

I certainly will and again thank you so much, Carrie, for creating such a wonderful space for us to get to talk about these transformational topics and, on behalf of myself and all your listeners, thank you.

Speaker 1:

Thank you, thank you, thank you, and you have a wonderful blessed day. Okay, bye.